thanks, we just want our kids to be productive members of society and understand that boundaries and limits exist and to respect them. But at the same time we don't want them to be afraid of challenging limits, which is why I understand (so I say) why he does what he does. He really is a good boy and fun to be around. He is rarely malicious or mean, so I think I need to focus on disciplining them (rather than punishing), be consistent but also adapt based on what motivates them. Based on your stories it's clear that every child is motivated by different things (time out, taking away toys, etc). His little brain is still developing and I have to remind myself he is like a drunk person, lol. I hate being mean/angry so I will take a different approach when he is "extra" bad.