Tom, if you had read some of my LONG winded comments above , you would have understood why there is a huge difference in the factory rated HP vrs the standard HOT ROD means of testing an engine. I don't have the patience or desire to type it again, so go back and read if you REALLY want to know. If not , that's OK too, because you will believe what you will anyway. As far as apples to apples, those #s you posted are very interesting and telling as well. The LT1 Camaro was faster than the original 1970 LT1 Camaro by a good bit ,according to the same people that probably tested them both. MT and R&T are probably the same mags that tested them. The 70 LT1 Camaro in factory trim was a mid to high 14 sec car at less than 100mph. Amazing how far we have come, and with much better mileage also. For the record the tests I posted that began this thread where as close to giving each engine it due of any Ive seen. Hot Rod even went so far as to stall the trans and set the rear gears to squeeze everything they could out of each engine. That is why I used the article as a reference for this discussion. On the question on MPH of the two cars, it is commonly believed that 1 MPH=10HP in a 1/4 mile race. So 5 MPH is 50 HP. Now do you understand the reason for the question? Again, no one has said the LT1 is junk. In fact most of the LS guys have just stated the increased potential of the LS platform. If you agree that the LS is more engine and the LS guys agree that the LT is a great engine as well, why are you continuing to fight the LS guys so hard? No one is making you live in California, and I cant help that the state gov. wont let you have fun by modifying your car. Come on over to GA. and you can play too. That would probably help you understand the HYPE, LOL.