Apple will not help FBI unlock terriorist phone

onovakind67

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Camarolina said:
At this point you loose me. Loose rhymes with goose, lose rhymes with choose.
Apple can keep their software for themselves and keep it securer. They already have software that can not be hacked. We know this because they make products that are hack proof, right? The government doesn't need to have it. Apple can only use it only if the government comes to them with a court order for a specific phone for a specific reason. I see no problem with this at all.

Someone last night made the point that Apple uses US laws for their benefit all the time. Whether its laws that allow them to keep profits off shore to evade paying taxes on it or protection from copy write infringement.
Tax evasion is against the law, tax avoidance is a common practice enabled by our tax code.
Now when they are ordered by a District Court Judge to comply and help the government with this terrorist investigation they say no?
They helped the feds many many times in the last few years open iPhones.
This a greedy money play for Apple. This is just one big advertisement for their iPhone. Calling all terrorist and child pornographers. Apple is helping you so buy their product.

Calling all folks who keep personally sensitive and valuable financial info on their phones - Apple is going to keep your info secret.
In reality, Apple and Tim Cook don't write any software, it's written by actual human beings who work for Apple. Do you think these people should be forced to do work that they might find against their principles or, heaven forbid, against their religion?

harbone66 said:
WTF?
Can I have some of whatever you are smoking? On second thought...maybe not

It's a simple question - would you want Apple employees to devise some special software so the the FBI could hack that phone?
 

Zspoiler

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They should have it so it take a court order on a case by case order.But would take the the responsibility of having people blood on their hands. For not getting the information on the cell phone that may save lives.They seem to forget that we are at war.
 

FreedomPenguin

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I want to remain closed, people will do things with or without. I am not w tinfoil hat, but our phones are our privacy. Terrorist or not you cannot use this for an excuse to have a backdoor into our lives. I'm not even for Apple assisting case by case, tons of other means to gather info other than a phone for info.
 

Camarolina

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onovakind67 said:
Calling all folks who keep personally sensitive and valuable financial info on their phones - Apple is going to keep your info secret.
In reality, Apple and Tim Cook don't write any software, it's written by actual human beings who work for Apple. Do you think these people should be forced to do work that they might find against their principles or, heaven forbid, against their religion.

FreedomPenguin said:
I want to remain closed, people will do things with or without. I am not w tinfoil hat, but our phones are our privacy. Terrorist or not you cannot use this for an excuse to have a backdoor into our lives. I'm not even for Apple assisting case by case, tons of other means to gather info other than a phone for info.

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harbone66

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onovakind67 said:
It's a simple question - would you want Apple employees to devise some special software so the the FBI could hack that phone?

Yes, in the name of National Security why not?
What if there is texts and emails with details of future acts of terrorism between him and some of his psycho buddies? Then by having this information these potential terrorists and their plans could be prevented
That would be a lot more realistic scenario than let's say that this phone had the name and address of every gun owner in the U.S., serial numbers of all his weapons you would think... :rolleyes:
 

onovakind67

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harbone66 said:
Yes, in the name of National Security why not?
What if there is (sic) texts and emails with details of future acts of terrorism between him and some of his psycho buddies? Then by having this information these potential terrorists and their plans could be prevented
That would be a lot more realistic scenario than let's say that this phone had the name and address of every gun owner in the U.S., serial numbers of all his weapons you would think... :rolleyes:

What would be wrong with registering guns in the name of National Security?

If you are a reader, here's a good synopsis of the legal precedents and how Apple will probably defend itself.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...fight-the-doj-in-iphone-backdoor-crypto-case/

Here's a previous court opinion from 2015 on this subject from a US District Court.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2468421-apple-memo.html#document/p10/a252628
 

harbone66

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onovakind67 said:
What would be wrong with registering guns in the name of National Security?

Where do I even mention that, it was your fantasy scenario, not mine...:D

You still didn't answer my question about if the info in the phone can prevent future acts of terrorism?
 
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