Apple will not help FBI unlock terriorist phone


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Oct 13, 2014
Now Moving to Parts Unknown
They could have prevented this:

"The county government that owned the iPhone in a high-profile legal battle between Apple Inc. and the Justice Department paid for but never installed a feature that would have allowed the FBI to easily and immediately unlock the phone as part of the terrorism investigation into the shootings that killed 14 people in San Bernardino, Calif.

If the technology, known as mobile device management, had been installed, San Bernardino officials would have been able to remotely unlock the iPhone for the FBI without the theatrics of a court battle that is now pitting digital privacy rights against national security concerns.

The service costs $4 per month per phone."



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Jun 1, 2005
Scott from Hamilton, NJ

Apple ought to do it as customer service for the actual phone owner, and charge $25,000 fee for services.

And really piss everyone off and send it to their tech team in China where they build it lol.


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Oct 1, 2004
Montreal (Living in Houston)
Its usually made quite clear to you when you are handed company electronics that the device does not belong to you and nothing on the device is deemed private. They have every right to all of the info on the device.

That being said if the device in question actually belonged to his employer his privacy is not being invaded in any way shape or form, nor would anyone else's even if you enabled the best security options available. The thing simply does not belong to you.

If the court is ordering Apple cooperate with reasonable means then they are bound to do just that.

Everything else is purely hypothetical. If if if.

It shouldn't' be too hard for apple to prove that developing a software to hack into the phone is not "Reasonable Means" since there has been God only knows how many hackers trying to do it for years and can't.

The best I can tell is they are not asking for Apple to create back doors to access all phones but rather access "This" phone. There is a difference. A court ordering assistance on a case by case basis to me is exactly why we have the courts. Assess the situation, measure risk vs reward and decide. We have due process to appeal should that be the choice of Apple.


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Jun 12, 2009
Unionville, NC
Here is the open letter penned by FBI director James Comey.


The San Bernardino litigation isn't about trying to set a precedent or send any kind of message. It is about the victims and justice.

Fourteen people were slaughtered and many more had their lives and bodies ruined. We owe them a thorough and professional investigation under law. That's what this is. The American people should expect nothing less from the FBI.

The particular legal issue is actually quite narrow. The relief we seek is limited and its value increasingly obsolete because the technology continues to evolve.

We simply want the chance, with a search warrant, to try to guess the terrorist's passcode without the phone essentially self-destructing and without it taking a decade to guess correctly.

That's it. We don't want to break anyone's encryption or set a master key loose on the land. I hope thoughtful people will take the time to understand that.

Maybe the phone holds the clue to finding more terrorists. Maybe it doesn’t.

But we can't look the survivors in the eye, or ourselves in the mirror, if we don't follow this lead.

Reflecting the context of this heart-breaking case, I hope folks will take a deep breath and stop saying the world is ending, but instead use that breath to talk to each other.

Although this case is about the innocents attacked in San Bernardino, it does highlight that we have awesome new technology that creates a serious tension between two values we all treasure: privacy and safety.

That tension should not be resolved by corporations that sell stuff for a living. It also should not be resolved by the FBI, which investigates for a living.

It should be resolved by the American people deciding how we want to govern ourselves in a world we have never seen before.

We shouldn't drift to a place—or be pushed to a place by the loudest voices—because finding the right place, the right balance, will matter to every American for a very long time.

So I hope folks will remember what terrorists did to innocent Americans at a San Bernardino office gathering and why the FBI simply must do all we can under the law to investigate that.

And in that sober spirit, I also hope all Americans will participate in the long conversation we must have about how to both embrace the technology we love and get the safety we need.

Gary S

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Apr 14, 1999
Bismarck, North Dakota
So, Apple thought they had the upper hand by refusing to help the FBI. The FBI hacked the iphone themselves without any help from Apple, and now isn't telling Apple how they did it. Apple deserves this for thinking that they are so great and can keep people out of their system. Apple, like Microsoft needs to learn that there are far better code writers and hackers in this world than they can afford to put on their payroll, and those better ones will always beat them at their software game.