Apparently,its only OK if everyone in the room has money.John Wright said:
Barrett Jackson ZL1 camaro scandal! (good read!)
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JJFarmer
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where money can be made, expect people to do some business.
I've been keeping pictures of 70 Z28, L34 and L78 trim tags that show up on Evilbay for future reference. See what shows up...
I've been keeping pictures of 70 Z28, L34 and L78 trim tags that show up on Evilbay for future reference. See what shows up...
You need a reaalllyyy expensive zl1 engine too
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- Mar 13, 2006
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Yeah, John. You are correct. Get a clean plain-Jane, find a high-demand wreck, remove it's VIN and Cowl trim tag, place on the beater, add correct parts to finish the charade and presto...a rare car reborn. It's fake..but like I've said many times before...when I cruise the car shows I have NEVER seen an owner admit in public that their ride is faked. They just go along with the flow. If a potential buyer comes along...and that buyer doesn't know the exact specifics to determine how real a car is...they'll get raped and pay big $ for a franken-car.
li0nhart123
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Bikefixr said:
and once the car passes through a few owners and registrations it can then be considered "fully laundered"...the car in essence will then be reborn and it's pedigree will be hard to trace.
it's sad to say...but eventually, it's gonna come down to the VIN to determine whether the car existed or not...and eventually the VIN Tags themselves will be reproduced and then it will come down to whether or not the number is correct as an officially released number from chevrolet.
I can just see it now...you will be able to order every part to build your Z28 and then you will be able to look up in a database and find a correct VIN and buy that as well....mate them together and you have an original car...NOT in MY BOOKS!!!
1. When the VIN was removed from the original ZL-1 body it didn't change a thing. The Original ZL-1 body still has the partial hidden VIN stamps which makes it the legit #27 ZL-1. Time doesn't change that fact.
2. Placing the VIN on another body doesn't change that car into #27 ZL-1. The second car is still whatever the hidden VIN's indicate. Period.
BTW, what happened to the VIN tag and title to the second car? Did it end up on another Camaro body? Maybe a Green 1969 Z/28??? hmmmm??
3. Removing the VIN from the second body and selling it and title to someone else and they turn around and place it on another body doesn't change the second body back to it's original VIN and change the 3rd body to #27 ZL-1. See where this is headed?
From what I understand the original #27 ZL-1 body is still around so whoever owns that car with the matching hidden VIN's, owns the true #27 ZL-1. That is my opinion.
30 years ago nobody cared about this crap. You wrecked a car you bought another just like it and transfered everything over to the new body. Hidden VINs were never or even considered back then. BUT as these cars became more and more collectable and valuable, things changed and now if you are selling one of these high priced, greed producing vehicles you better have your $hit together.
The smart thing to do would be to find the original body with the #27 Hidden VIN's, buy it and hold it for ransom. You could probably sell the original body for more then what that ba$tardized hybrid sold for at Barrett-Jackson.
Enough for me.
Rick H.
"Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive." Sir Walter Scott
2. Placing the VIN on another body doesn't change that car into #27 ZL-1. The second car is still whatever the hidden VIN's indicate. Period.
BTW, what happened to the VIN tag and title to the second car? Did it end up on another Camaro body? Maybe a Green 1969 Z/28??? hmmmm??
3. Removing the VIN from the second body and selling it and title to someone else and they turn around and place it on another body doesn't change the second body back to it's original VIN and change the 3rd body to #27 ZL-1. See where this is headed?
From what I understand the original #27 ZL-1 body is still around so whoever owns that car with the matching hidden VIN's, owns the true #27 ZL-1. That is my opinion.
30 years ago nobody cared about this crap. You wrecked a car you bought another just like it and transfered everything over to the new body. Hidden VINs were never or even considered back then. BUT as these cars became more and more collectable and valuable, things changed and now if you are selling one of these high priced, greed producing vehicles you better have your $hit together.
The smart thing to do would be to find the original body with the #27 Hidden VIN's, buy it and hold it for ransom. You could probably sell the original body for more then what that ba$tardized hybrid sold for at Barrett-Jackson.
Enough for me.
Rick H.
"Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive." Sir Walter Scott
retorq
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A body is a body is a body. The ZL1 body itself isn't something super rare, it's a regular Camaro body ... this one just happened to be stamped with a number that later became something desirable and rare because of the stuff that went into the body. The body itself meant sh*t.
I don't think most of this DMV stuff will apply since the car will most likely never be registered to be driven on the street.
From what I read the guy who parted it out back in the 70s said the drive train went one way the body went another ... how do we know with 100% certainty that original drive train didn't find it ways into this car??
I have a friend that has a 79 Z28, she makes such a big deal that it's a real Z and mine aren't ... umm OK last I checked my 350 engine isn't all smogged down to 200 HP and 99% of my suspension parts are the exact same as her's if not stronger/better!? It's a lame argument to say the least.
I don't think most of this DMV stuff will apply since the car will most likely never be registered to be driven on the street.
From what I read the guy who parted it out back in the 70s said the drive train went one way the body went another ... how do we know with 100% certainty that original drive train didn't find it ways into this car??
I have a friend that has a 79 Z28, she makes such a big deal that it's a real Z and mine aren't ... umm OK last I checked my 350 engine isn't all smogged down to 200 HP and 99% of my suspension parts are the exact same as her's if not stronger/better!? It's a lame argument to say the least.
- Mar 13, 2006
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We know that the drivetrain isn't the original one. It wasn't married up to the car. The whereabouts of the original #27 engine IS known. The wherabouts of the subframe/body shell IS known. The whereabouts of the interior and other bits IS known. The ONLY original part on the B-J car is the VIN plate.
1972lt1
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My understanding is that the VIN is atatched to the firewall, so you can do whatever to the car as long as you don't mess with the firewall or the VIN plate. If you do it's a Federal crime.
