Electric Car Road Tax

dcozzi

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I'll believe the Corporate giants care, even a little, when they give up their corporate jets. It's all a money grab and not wanting to get left behind if/when the change becomes real.
 

SPG

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A lot of questionable things in this thread, but the mining to drilling comparison was by far the most hilarious because they're both terrible for the environment. Oil isn't as amazing as that meme makes it out to be
 
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Todd80Z28

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IIRC, that's a copper mine photo. The person who made the meme knew that most people wouldn't research that.
How about an aerial from Fort McMurray tar sands mining? This is what Keystone XL was primarily meant for-
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Da-bigguy

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IIRC, that's a copper mine photo. The person who made the meme knew that most people wouldn't research that.
How about an aerial from Fort McMurray tar sands mining? This is what Keystone XL was primarily meant for-
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I do know that the gov't requires the producers to reclaim the land after they have finished the extraction. Here are a couple of pics reportedly taken of one mine site in northern Alberta

Mildred Lake mine site before reclamation
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Mildred Lake mine site after reclamation
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I do know the Canadian tar sands have some of the toughest environmental laws they need to follow which makes it more expensive to produce the oil but when it is as high as it has been, it should be a boom for Canada. Unfortunately because Keystone XL and other pipelines can't get built, Alberta oil ends up selling at a fraction of what it should sell at. At one point, it effectively had a negative price!!


EDIT: I also understand that most of the new production in the tar sands come from less intrusive methods such as they inject steam into the ground to get the tar to the point they can pump it out more like regular oil is pumped so no more strip mining like in the early days of development.
 
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ULTM8Z

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lol... And so the war on A/C begins...


I've already seen numerous Op-Eds with the pampered ruling elite belly-aching how everyone else having A/C is killing the planet and racist to boot...

But I think this is the first instance I've seen of a government actually taking direct action like this against it. Probably won't be the last.

And you can bet no one in the Spanish government will be abiding by this... They mismanage the electric grid and instead of fixing it, they tell the populace "you'll do with less and learn to like it!"
 
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Knuckle Dragger

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lol... And so the war on A/C begins...


I've already seen numerous Op-Eds with the pampered ruling elite belly-aching how everyone else having A/C is killing the planet and racist to boot...

But I think this is the first instance I've seen of a government actually taking direct action like this against it. Probably won't be the last.

And you can bet no one in the Spanish government will be abiding by this... They mismanage the electric grid and instead of fixing it, they tell the populace "you'll do with less and learn to like it!"

IIRC Carter administration did it too.

I was right: https://www.nytimes.com/1979/07/11/...g-limit-for-public-buildings-this-summer.html
 

scrap--metal

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Just read this thread against my best judgement. At least it was entertaining.

The level of fanaticism against fossil fuels and this global warming stuff is just mind blowing.
This is what hits me hardest. No expense or lack of foresight will deter the push for electrification at this point.

At least the drought and single use plastic problems have merit. This vilification of fossil fuels isn't justified the way it's made out to be.
 
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tom3

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