Electric Car Road Tax

[John Wright]

Just did an AC PM conversion with the Teekon Silver Wolf kit on the cart(similar to the Tesla motor technology)....hoping for even better efficiency (and Speed!). A quick run up showed 26 mph on the standard setting. Emailed the mfg for a code to unlock the Sport mode that is supposed to add more speed and torque.

It's running 35 mph with a custom tune now that sport mode is unlocked. Had to sign a waiver to get that feature unlocked. Still haven't checked the range on a charge yet, but I've only charged it up one time since I did the conversion (was down to around 75% SOC), and this cart gets ridden daily, so "I think" the mileage is better. Hard to ride the thing 30 plus miles without leaving the farm and all of those steep hills.

 

[danbrennan]

What puzzles me about California's push for all electric everything is that California still imports ~30%(83,636GWh \ 277,764GWh) of their electricity from the Northwest and Southwest grids. Isn't it kind of risky to depend on the other states to supply all the extra electric load from electric cars, heat pumps, etc.? I would have thought California would have wanted to get to the point where they can generate 100% of their own electricity, before adding a bunch more load.

2021 Total System Electric Generation

www.energy.ca.gov

 

[Knuckle Dragger]

What puzzles me about California's push for all electric everything is that California still imports ~30%(83,636GWh \ 277,764GWh) of their electricity from the Northwest and Southwest grids. Isn't it kind of risky to depend on the other states to supply all the extra electric load from electric cars, heat pumps, etc.? I would have thought California would have wanted to get to the point where they can generate 100% of their own electricity, before adding a bunch more load.

2021 Total System Electric Generation

www.energy.ca.gov

Thinking that California would actually think about the repercussions of their regulations is just silly. Pass law the first, then play on the dire effects and use the "emergency" to fleece more tax money out of the population is their MO.

 

[ULTM8Z]

Thinking that California would actually think about the repercussions of their regulations is just silly. Pass law the first, then play on the dire effects and use the "emergency" to fleece more tax money out of the population is their MO.

It's way worse than that. They know what the repercussions will be.... Total control over every aspect of your life. The more their policies fail, the more excuses they have to sieze more control.

This gas stove thing being related to asthma? BS. Everyone knows it's just another front opened up in the holy war against fossil fuels. The climate lunatics who just heard about this a few hours ago have already adopted the assertions as fact and are following the same MO.... yell about it loudly and often enough that it gets accepted as fact.

 

[SPG]

It's way worse than that. They know what the repercussions will be.... Total control over every aspect of your life. The more their policies fail, the more excuses they have to sieze more control.

This gas stove thing being related to asthma? BS. Everyone knows it's just another front opened up in the holy war against fossil fuels. The climate lunatics who just heard about this a few hours ago have already adopted the assertions as fact and are following the same MO.... yell about it loudly and often enough that it gets accepted as fact.

Here is a study directly from 2011
more than a decade ago

Moving Environmental Justice Indoors: Understanding Structural Influences on Residential Exposure Patterns in Low-Income Communities

Objectives. The indoor environment has not been fully incorporated into the environmental justice dialogue. To inform strategies to reduce disparities, we developed a framework to identify the individual and place-based drivers of indoor environment quality. Methods. We reviewed empirical...

ajph.aphapublications.org

Don't be so apprehensive to change and putting your head in the sand because you don't like the facts presented. This doesn't make them wrong.

 

[ULTM8Z]

In the age of hyper-politicized "science" and "studies", I'll take that with a grain of salt.

Especially when you can find studies that say essentially the exact opposite...

Gas stove use and respiratory health among adults with asthma in NHANES III

Background: Gas stoves release respiratory irritants, such as nitrogen dioxide and other combustion by-products. Adults with asthma may be susceptible to the effects of gas stove exposure because of their underlying airway hyperresponsiveness, but this ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Conclusions: Among adults with asthma, there was no apparent impact of gas stove use on pulmonary function or respiratory symptoms. These results should be reassuring to adults with asthma and their health care providers.

But overall I think you're missing the point... it's not opposition to change.

The problem is the government unnecessarily forcing this near-immediate electrification of everything when they know damn well there isn't the infrastructure to handle it, nor will there be. Even the head of Toyota has been politely saying essentially "you people are out of your minds rushing to electrify all these cars". Is he an anti-progress "climate denier" now too?

Like I said in an earlier post, the Europeans are a couple of decades ahead of us on this "green technology" push and yet they're still so reliant on Russian gas that they're in the midst of an energy crisis now trying to figure out how to keep from freezing to death. So (foreshadowing what's to come over here), what are these governments doing? Coming up with all sorts of new rules and regulations (and even using technology) on how to forcibly curtail energy use. I was reading the German government is trying to figure out how to disable electric car chargers at will when they need to keep the grid from crashing.

Typical.... The government screws up royally and the solution is to punish the population.

California telling people not to charge their electric cars due to an energy crisis just months after saying they're going to force people to only buy electric cars in ~12 years, and at the same time they're ready to shutter a nuclear power plant that's responsible for nearly 10% of the state's electricity production? They can't even build a stupid train across some unpopulated desert area and we're supposed to believe they're going to have all this clean energy infrastructure to handle the huge electrical load they're trying to dump on the system?

People in Colorado "shocked" to discover this past summer the government run utilities can all of a sudden lock them out of their "smart" thermostats in order to dictate what temperature they have to keep their houses at?

The government now looking at mandating kill switches in all new cars? Obviously they framing it in terms of "public safety" (i.e., drunk drivers, stopping police chases, etc). But what a "convenient" capability to have to throttle energy demand when the grid can't handle all the EV charging.

I could go on and on with all the empirical evidence of what's coming...

If anyone has their heads in the sand, it's the people who are just going along with this without hearing or seeing the obvious warnings about what's coming.

 

[danbrennan]

If as Commissioner of the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission Richard Trumka Jr. says, “products that can’t be made safe can be banned,” then I guess maybe we'll also have to ban electric stoves, too, for their fire hazard,

https://www.nfpa.org//-/media/Files/News-and-Research/Fire-statistics-and-reports/US-Fire-Problem/Fire-causes/oscooking.pdf

"Households that use electric ranges have a higher risk of cooking fires
and associated losses than those using gas ranges. Although 60 percent
of households cook with electricity,15 four out of five (80 percent)
ranges or cooktops involved in reported cooking fires were powered by
electricity. Population-based risks are shown below,
• The rate of reported fires per million households was 2.6 times
higher with electric ranges.
• The civilian fire death rate per million households was 3.4 times
higher with electric ranges.
• The civilian fire injury rate per million households was 4.8 times
higher with electric ranges than in households using gas ranges.
• The average fire dollar loss per household was 3.8 times higher in
households with electric ranges. See Figure 10."

"It is sometimes less obvious that an electric burner is turned on or is
still hot than it is with gas burners. In addition, once turned off, it takes
time for an electric burner to cool."

I don't think the gas stove ban idea has really been thought out very well. Like, at all. Ventilation of a gas stove seems to be the most important thing.

 

[ULTM8Z]

If as Commissioner of the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission Richard Trumka Jr. says, “products that can’t be made safe can be banned,”

Oh good... for a second there I was thinking he was going to say something that would result in a slippery slope...

 

[Knuckle Dragger]

Oh good... for a second there I was thinking he was going to say something that would result in a slippery slope...

Those are banned too, falling hazard

 

[ULTM8Z]

Rare-Earth Find in Sweden Lifts Hope for Shift Toward Clean Energy

Mineral deposit could lessen Europe’s reliance on China for vital material in electric cars and wind turbines.

www.wsj.com

Getting my popcorn ready. This should be interesting.

LKAB’s announcement was met with concern from members of the region’s Sami indigenous population, who said development of the mineral deposit would split a traditional area for reindeer herding and damage their right to exercise their culture.

Sami people will be forced “to give up land, culture, Sami place names, traditions and future in the area where our ancestors have lived since ancient times,” representatives of Sami reindeer-herding communities said in a statement on Thursday.

Kicking indigenous people off their land to save us all from climate change? Gee, that'll tough one for poor Greta Thunberg. Hope she doesn't get too stressed trying to figure that one out.

The Chinese, The Congo, and countries like them (who export so much of these minerals) are the opposite... not only do they have no qualms about kicking the indigenous people off the land (which they ultimately destroy to get the minerals out), they enslave the people and put them to work in the mines. Lol...

LKAB said the new find will take years to develop and exploit. Based on current timelines for obtaining permits, it could take 10 to 15 years or more before mining of the new deposit begins, the company said. Mr. Moström said he hopes the process can be accelerated.

Yeah, good luck with that. Wait until the lawsuits start flying around in the European courts and the public relations battle starts. The mining company trying to win that battle trying justify kicking indigenous people off their land "for profit" for the corporations?

By the time they get done with all the naval-gazing and woke hand-wringing... my prediction is it'll never happen.