Electric Car Road Tax

[danbrennan]

That issue is being raised, but whether politicians address it remains to be seen. Politicians love tax money ..

"While the plan to implement tolling as corridors are modernized addresses one of the highway user community’s concerns about tolling, the study ignores legitimate concerns about “double taxation”—paying both tolls and fuel taxes for the same corridor. The study acknowledges the coming need to replace fuel taxes with mileage-based user fees (MBUFs), but it ignores a key tenet of the ongoing state pilot programs: that the mileage-based user fee is intended to replace the fuel tax, not be charged in addition to it. What would fix this problem is to make the new Interstate tolls Michigan’s first MBUFs. That would mean providing refunds/rebates for fuel taxes incurred for miles driven on the newly tolled Interstates, demonstrating that MBUFs really will be replacing fuel taxes when implemented."

"Michigan DOT and legislators might be concerned about the cost of providing fuel-tax rebates, but the study itself recommends devoting 5% of gross toll revenue to various kinds of toll discounts and rebates, some of them highly questionable. In a peer-reviewed study just published in Transportation Research Record (the journal of the Transportation Research Board), I used a detailed spreadsheet model to estimate the net present value (NPV) of fuel tax rebates to motorists and truckers driving on rebuilt, tolled Interstate corridors. The NPV of state fuel tax rebates over 30 years was less than 7% of the gross toll revenue."

 

[ULTM8Z]

Another reason why I think eventually it'll get far more expensive (and eventually punitive) to drive an EV than a gas powered car.

Supply and demand on a failing electric grid will jack up electricity prices for one thing (on top of being able ration the electricity). The technology will be there to make it much easier to fix the shortage on the demand side rather than the supply side (given how pretty much every new energy project gets nearly sued out of existence before they can even break ground). Plus, energy-abundance fuels personal liberty... which explains a lot of what we're seeing.

Then the government will have a new mileage tax they can play around with as another slush-fund to cover general budget deficits (rather than for "maintaining roads and bridges"). Then just wait until they start putting multi-tier rates on that in order to punish you for not taking mass transit. You drive more, you pay increasingly higher per-mile rates.

$8/gal for gas will seem like a bargain at that point...

 

[danbrennan]

Actually, some environmentalists are already proposing limiting electric cars, too. The larger goal is to just limit personal transportation, because one or two people traveling alone is very inefficient regardless of the propulsion source.

More Mobility Less Mining

Reducing the lithium-intensity of zero emissions transportation.

www.climateandcommunity.org

"Large-scale mining entails social and environmental harm, in many cases irreversibly damaging landscapes without the consent of affected communities."

"This report finds that the United States can achieve zero emissions transportation while limiting the amount of lithium mining necessary by reducing the car dependence of the transportation system, decreasing the size of electric vehicle batteries, and maximizing lithium recycling. Reordering the US transportation system through policy and spending shifts to prioritize public and active transit while reducing car dependency can also ensure transit equity, protect ecosystems, respect Indigenous rights, and meet the demands of global justice."

"Lithium demand can be reduced by up to 92 percent in 2050 in comparison to the most lithium-intensive scenarios. This can be done by employing three key policy interventions: decreasing car dependency, right-sizing EV batteries, and creating a robust recycling system."

"The size of EV batteries have grown three fold since the first commercial EV. Even if the car-centricity of the US transportation system continues, limiting the size of EV batteries alone can cut lithium demand by as much as 42 percent. "

 

[ULTM8Z]

Yeah, I saw that article too. Gives you a window into the thinking behind all of this global warming stuff.

WTF does equity and indigineous rights have to do with global warming? Unless you're using global warming as the vehicle to enact your social engineering agenda. All someone has to do is listen to these World Economic Forum, Great Reset types to know that's the case.

It's basically the same M.O. all the time... Loudly/aggressively proclaim your theory/opinion to be fact, publicly shout down, cancel and destroy anyone who dares openly disagree with you, then when everyone else is too afraid to speak up, you declare that everyone agrees with you and you manufacture a term like "settled science" to say you have science on your side.

And then in a circular reference example for the ages, you use that "settled science" to start pushing all the things that help drive your totalitarian, social engineering experiments.

 

[ULTM8Z]

WTF... do you want clean energy or not?

Lol...

Greta Thunberg protests clean wind farm on indigenous lands as human rights abuses

Climate activist Greta Thunberg joined indigenous protesters to block the Norway Energy Ministry in protest of wind turbines on Sami lands.

www.foxnews.com

 

[roadrace2]

Good Lord.......is she ever going to be concerned or voice her opinion (Yes I know she's got others to tell her how to think) about the Ohio situation anytime soon? Nah, didn't think so.

 

[danbrennan]

PJM Report Warns Retirement of Fossil Fuel Plants Will Create Outages - UncoverDC

PJM predicts power outages & unreliable service due to increased demand of renewable energy sources & retired fossil fuel plants.

www.uncoverdc.com

"PJM Interconnection—one of the U.S.’s largest grid operators—released a phase three report showing that fossil-fuel plants will be shutting down in favor of green energy. These plant shutdowns could potentially cause the destabilization of the grid and result in unreliable service to thousands of households. PJM predicts the retirement of energy resources through 2030 will put a strain on the grid because of “mismatches” in load growth and the lower “pace of new generation entry.”"

"According to a WSJ Op-Ed on the PJM report, the impact on consumers will be a destabilization of the electric grid, with “shortages and blackouts” sure to be on the horizon. The study found that “for the first time in recent history, PJM could face decreasing reserve margins” if the trends continue. The WSJ reports:"

“PJM typically generates a surplus of power owing to its large fossil-fuel fleet, which it exports to neighboring grids in the Midwest and Northeast. When wind power plunged in the Midwest and central states late last week, PJM helped fill the gap between supply and demand and kept the lights on.

That’s why it’s especially worrisome that PJM is predicting a large decline in its power reserves as coal and natural-gas plants retire.”

 

[ULTM8Z]

lol... they're already looking beyond EV's....

How white and affluent drivers are polluting the air breathed by L.A.’s people of color

In Los Angeles, the less you drive, the more you're exposed to toxic fumes, according to a new study.

www.latimes.com

Electric vehicles still produce harmful air pollution via dust from brake pads and toxic chemicals in tires. And cars of all kinds can kill pedestrians and drivers.

Policymakers could help limit the need for long commutes, Boeing and his co-authors wrote, by offering tax credits to incentivize working from home and charging “congestion taxes” to make driving more expensive — an idea being studied by L.A. County.

And this one is priceless...

I realize it’s not on my shoulders alone to make up for a long history of racist housing policies and freeway construction.

Translation: I'm just here to earn woke street cred by virtue signaling about stuff that I think everyone else should do. Hell no am I giving up my car!

 

[danbrennan]

Just another way to say personal transportation needs to be greatly reduced or eliminated. A friend of mine, working on the George McGovern campaign in 1972, heard about how he should be opposed to personal transportation. Once rather obscure, that attitude seems to be working its way into the mainstream.

 

[ULTM8Z]

Biden unveils toughest-ever car emissions rules in bid to force electric vehicle purchases

The White House announced emissions standards governing traditional gas-powered cars it said were the most aggressive of their kind ever introduced on Wednesday.

www.foxnews.com

They sure are foaming at the mouth to get everyone chained to to the failing electric grid for some reason.

Backdoor kill-switch mandates, deliberate/planned energy shortages with inevitable rationing coming, open admiration of China's social credit system, people screaming for Covid-esque "climate lockdowns"... doesn't take a genius to start connecting the dots...