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Todd80Z28

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This reads just like I have literally just posted. Government in charge of business where they have no reason to. The gov is not supposed to be making money or be being profitable.
In Minnesota, electric utilities are regulated. In TX they are unregulated.
Solar is supplemental, as is wind. The square footage of solar panels needed to replace a nuke is untenable. Wind kills birds lol.

Nukes and maybe some hydro electric is the only real answer. But given the water crisis in the west, maybe not hydro.
Sure solar is supplemental, but in the desert you can count on sun pretty much daily, you know, like in the mid-late afternoon when the grid load peaks. It aids the NOW problem, as a solar plant can be brought online in a short period of time. Nuclear is a theoretically fine solution (the cost end of it really has to be figured out), but if ground is broken TODAY, the first atoms won't be split for 10-12 years. That's the reality of it.
Like you, I wonder if hydro is kinda tapped out- all the good spots are taken, and all the REALLY good spots are drying up. Opportunities abound for pumped hydro storage, though- lake up top, lake down below, send it back and forth depending on needs. Like here in Bath County. Seems like there ought to be big opportunities out West since elevation changes are greater, but maybe they'll have evaporation issues??

House cats kill birds lol.
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goofnrox

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In Minnesota, electric utilities are regulated. In TX they are unregulated.

Sure solar is supplemental, but in the desert you can count on sun pretty much daily, you know, like in the mid-late afternoon when the grid load peaks. It aids the NOW problem, as a solar plant can be brought online in a short period of time. Nuclear is a theoretically fine solution (the cost end of it really has to be figured out), but if ground is broken TODAY, the first atoms won't be split for 10-12 years. That's the reality of it.
Like you, I wonder if hydro is kinda tapped out- all the good spots are taken, and all the REALLY good spots are drying up. Opportunities abound for pumped hydro storage, though- lake up top, lake down below, send it back and forth depending on needs. Like here in Bath County. Seems like there ought to be big opportunities out West since elevation changes are greater, but maybe they'll have evaporation issues??

House cats kill birds lol.
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How do buildings kill 100 million birds a year?
 

BonzoHansen

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Lol I was kidding about birds, although there are some ecos who cry about it.

They should stop turning the current nukes off. I read it takes something crazy like 30 sq miles of solar panels to replace the power a nuke makes. If so that's a lot of land that needs to be carved up. If the idiots in this country weren't so scared of the bogeyman we'd have kept up on nuke research and development. France kicks our ass at that.
 

Todd80Z28

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How do buildings kill 100 million birds a year?
Glass buildings... fly right into them.
They should stop turning the current nukes off. I read it takes something crazy like 30 sq miles of solar panels to replace the power a nuke makes. If so that's a lot of land that needs to be carved up
Very true for some, others are OLD, back to the 60s. Embrittlement is a thing in metals constantly bombarded with radiation and free H2. Many plants were forecasted to last 70-80 years ended up at less than half that due to metallurgy issues (steam generator tubes, mostly). I'd like to think that NuScale has their SMR figured out, and you could just drop a 60-100MW unit wherever you needed the power (and had sufficient cooling water nearby). They'd be perfect to power an all EV Buc-ee's actually- 125 EV charging stations with 70 kinds of beef jerky.:D

EDIT: had to run some math... typical panels these days will support about 175W/Sq yd... 3mil sq yds to a sq. mile... figure 50% coverage of the land, that's 260MW output/sq.mi. Figure 5.5hrs/day at that level on average, can extend to 7 if mounted on a rotating east-west axis... 1.4GW-hr per day, per sq. mile. Nuclear plant with a 92% capacity factor at 1200MW output would be 26GW-hr/day, so 18 square miles worth? Not too far off.
Solar will never replace base load without mature storage options though. But it sure would help out TX in the afternoon when they are sending out conservation warnings...
 
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ULTM8Z

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Yeah, talking points. The dramatic price increases have nothing to do with executive orders, land lease feet dragging, pipe line shut downs etc etc. Funny how it happened the same exact way about 12 years ago too.

It's a direct result of an ideology that's comitted to the third-world-ification of the United States. Global warming and "saving the planet" is simply one of the the pretexts. It's an ideology that thinks the wrong side won the Cold War.

Elimination of cheap energy is simply one cog in that wheel...and probably the most important. Artificially make energy extremely expensive and pretty much everything collapses, which is what we're seeing happen right in front of us in real time.

But just take a step back and look around at the big picture...

Out of control crime, demonizing of law enforcement, food/product shortages, sky rocketing energy prices, runaway inflation, massive illegal immigration, homeless encampments allowed to take over large portions of cities, criminalizing self-defense... literally everything that an orderly society depends on is being destroyed.
 
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Todd80Z28

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It's a direct result of an ideology that's comitted to the third-world-ification of the United States. Global warming and "saving the planet" is simply one of the the pretexts. It's an ideology that thinks the wrong side won the Cold War.

Elimination of cheap energy is simply one cog in that wheel...and probably the most important. Artificially make energy extremely expensive and pretty much everything collapses, which is what we're seeing happen right in front of us in real time.

But just take a step back and look around at the big picture...

Out of control crime, demonizing of law enforcement, food/product shortages, sky rocketing energy prices, runaway inflation, massive illegal immigration, homeless encampments allowed to take over large portions of cities, criminalizing self-defense... literally everything that an orderly society depends on is being destroyed.
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"Stop blocking my power!" Hey it would be a valid reason, at least.:D
 




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