Its all about money in a sense, to get carb approved cost TONS, it takes ford about 2 years to release the carb approved mustang ford performance tunes, small mom pops cant afford that kind of dough. soon it'll only be a few big players, roush, ford performance, etc. Which will be weaker tunes, but compliant emissions. if it didn't cost so much to get certified the small guys could jump in the pool too and get it done. but simply most likely isn't possible.
Cali is the ultimate enemy to it all, ie. my state doesnt even have emission checks, but I read the current admin is trying to bring back emission checks everywhere. Which I am all for cleaner air, but some of the tunes run cleaner than stock! as mentioned with the flex fuel post before me. If I was a tuner, I would do tunes for everyone except cali, simply state, not for sale or use in cali to CYA
So you're getting upset under the premise that ALL tunes make the vehicle run cleaner? Maybe most do but look at the "roll coal" fools and what they put out there. Do you figure the average citizen see those or the guy that discreetly tuned his ride and made better choices? As always with this stuff you need to understand it's the bad apples that ruin it for everyone. The reason the CARB stuff is so expensive is due to extensive testing required under all conditions, look how VW duped the system. They have a huge process in place to help prevent that.
IF people at least tried to play by the rules with this stuff there would be less rules IMO.
I understand it, just sucks. I like the idea of being able to get tunes from anywhere, competition is good, but no competition is bad. The smaller guys simply cant get certified due to all those testing. Motorcycles, they dont even get e checked' but they are running those guys out of business under the premise, that altering ECU of any vehicle is becoming illegal and they are committing crimes, regardless if bike is being tracked or driven on street. Same with track cars, those guys are going to be hit hardest.
I want clean air, and I know tunes can make cars run stronger and leaner cleaner. The problem with the E checks I am going to not support is, if the car passes the sniffer but fails because the ECU was altered, that part shouldn't be a fail. Also, intercoolers etc, they just cool air. But if you dont have a CARB EO sticker on them, failed, altered vehicle in cali.
Only 1 IC for mustang ecoboost, Garret, they charge 1k for it, and its inferior to the other intercoolers but they are the only ones with a EO certified sticker/stamp. Same with airbox's I was reading about aftermarket airbox'intakes failing inspection, (the visual inspection) as it isn't OEM box.
Come on. it sucks in air, has no impact on the air coming out the exhaust. Feels like over reaching there. Wont be long before you cant use any tire size other than what car came with, they will say, your car came with 255/40/19 but now you are 285/35/19 (I use this because I did this change) they could say, fail, go back to OEM equipment or its deemed unsafe.
Heck I know some tire shops wont even let you order different sizing tires other than OEM in my area. No idea why, but its happening already. Stating its against policy to deviate from oem sizing.
I agree with that, but what about items that dont affect emissions? ie, any different airbox than oem (it just sucks air and looks different), or intercooler just cools more air capacity or less capacity depending on the intercooler, or radiator? as long as the exhaust sniff test is deemed sufficient/clean enough it shouldn't matter anything else. I mean in theory, im sure some people go home and swap everything over and tune their car for til next e check, but I cant see many people doing that.We will agree to disagree. IMO the industry brought it on it's self, it was only a mater of time.
The tire thing is a perceived liability by the tire shop, not an EPA thing. Thank the lawyers for that one.
I agree with that, but what about items that dont affect emissions? ie, any different airbox than oem (it just sucks air and looks different), or intercooler just cools more air capacity or less capacity depending on the intercooler, or radiator? as long as the exhaust sniff test is deemed sufficient/clean enough it shouldn't matter anything else. I mean in theory, im sure some people go home and swap everything over and tune their car for til next e check, but I cant see many people doing that.