Ethanol impact re: gas pricing

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  1. AJ_72

    AJ_72 Veteran Member

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    But at 9 minutes, 59 seconds, you'll be fine. ;)

    I don't notice a difference in smell between it and gasoline, although I haven't actually been around a race car that runs E85.
     
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    I'd imagine that electronically fuel injected flex-fuel vehicles equipped with emission controls wouldn't smell like burning beer, But Race cars do.

    Methanol car exhaust doesn't smell until they drop in scented topend lube, then it's Tooty- Fruity.
     
  3. Rick WI

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    Ethanol, even at 99.999%, does not smell like beer.

    Ace, oil prices plunged due to the collapse of the world economy. Bush had nothing to do with it.

    Pricing now is driven by the foward demand curve projections, led by China and India, versus the forward production curve AND almost MORE important comments from time to time from OPEC saying......."$100/bbl oil is OK and needed to support their budgets.
     
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    iregret Veteran Member Lifetime Gold Member

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    Had nothing to do with the price of oil or the collapse of the world economy? LMAO!

    :crazy: :D :p :cool:
     
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    They told us the samething about reasons for price increases since 1999-2008 before the collapse.

    I wasn't sure if GWB's threat to lift the moratorium was an actual contributor
    or not. Someone mentioned it just this week and it's been bouncing around
    in my head because I always argued against it, but then I thought it might
    be possible......

    Obviously you deal with this in the energy markets daily so I'll take your word for it.
    All I gotta ask is, how long do you think til we hit the 2nd collapse ??
    I'd like to drive my cars more.
     
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    hhott71 R.I.P 11/19/18 Lifetime Gold Member

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    The Soros led speculators along with the biased news media blamed Bush and Cheney as the rich oil men who ran up oil prices to payback their friends. It was all lies but stupid people believe that and the same idiots fell for the socialist hope and change guy that Soros was trying to get elected. As soon as the election was over prices fell. The oil was run up because everything moves on oil. People in vehicles, Stuff on trucks, trains, planes etc. Costs rise in business, and at home. Jobs disappear,or reduced hours, bills pile up at home, spending declines, less commerce happens, fewer new jobs and more layoffs happen. Everytime a central ingredient has a sharp increase, bad things happen in the economy.
    A sharp tax increase across the board, sharp increase in energy costs etc.


    You can come visit the pits anytime and you'll smell the beer exhaust from E85 cars.
     
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    Aceshigh Veteran Member Lifetime Gold Member

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    I am going to start calling you crazy Jack. :crazy:

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    a few points on daily driver new cars and the "unpractical" use of E85.

    True, Currently a flex fuel car gets less mileage when burning E85, BUT
    All new cars that run E85 are FLEX fuel, no dedicated E85 only cars.
    Building a car that would only run on E85 would completely solve the mileage problem, and under maximum efficiency tuning, I wouldn't be surprised if you could pull better mileage.
    The biggest problem is compression, any engine that burns gasoline can't even come close to properly burning alcohol. what's the highest compression pump gas motor currently made by an auto manufacture? 10.5:1, maybe 11:1 tops? 13.5:1 is easily doable ina DD running E85. figure a 6 to 8% jump in fuel economy alone by that.
    specific cam timing for an alcohol motor would probably increase mileage even more, but with more cylinder pressure you'd be even further away from something that could ever run gasoline. Think about this for a second. It amazes me that flex fuel vehicles don't get WAY worse gas mileage, the only thing the computer changes is fuel and spark curves, possibly some minor adjustments to cam timing, but nothing like a dedicated camshaft.

    So this brings us to the dogfights between uneducated people whether in the media or chat rooms, remember E85 is STILL in the groundwork stage. If a car manufacture tried to make a dedicated E85 car, the first time the vehicle owner tried to leave the Midwest they'd be screwed. This is what I've been saying for years now. Get the groundwork laid, and when you can buy the fuel anywhere, manufactures can build E85 only vehicles that do as good as their gasoline counterparts.

    as far as using corn, I Also think that's got to go, but it's in the same boat as flex fuel vehicles, easier done and more practical for laying the groundwork. once E85 is more established and people see there really are no downsides to it strictly comparing as engine fuels, start making the E85 from switch grass, sugar cane or something more practical.
     
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    Just going to guess ACE, but suspect by June.
     
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    Speaking of blending....

    There's supposedly 56 "boutique" fuel blends required in the USA. That's what pushes the price higher around this time. So I blend gas for Atlanta. I can't ship that gas to TN or FL cause it's the wrong blend.

    Mandated by the EPA. So the EPA could immediately help fix some of this strain by consolidating blends required. Like a "South East" blend, and a "Southern California" blend. Then the switch-over wouldn't be such a CF and financial and logistical hit.

    Freekin beauocrats.

    and yes, I'd love to be able to burn E85 made in Georgia out of switchgrass and pine tree bark (waste products) but they're too busy trying to figure out how to get corn fuel here. or not. since most of it is out in the heartland. freekin idiots.
     

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