LS2 / 4L65E management - self learning / tuning

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  1. GDSmith

    GDSmith Veteran Member

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    Like many of you I am an “Old School Guy”, had my share of classics and muscle over the years. 5-years ago I had a shop install an engine / trans package out of a 2006 GTO along with a bunch of other upgrades into our 73 RS / LT / Z28.
    I’m really struggling grasping the electronic engine / trans management and it sickens me every time it needs something repaired seems no less then $500 and it is ALWAYS something related to the engine/trans management.
    It’s time to replace the 13-year old system install one of the smart self-learning engine management systems.
    Looking for feedback of the options out there you have installed, unless there is something new out there I realize the DBW has to be replaced with a cable, please reply your experiences there also.
     
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    After having just finished a 10 year Ls swap myself, the one big take away was electronics - had to fight the urge to change stuff from what I had (OEM converted harness and E38 ecm) since it would require either a tuner or buying the program license and learning. the entry cost would be too much for me. Holley seems to have lots of options and have been looking at the Edelbrock pro flo 4. Edelbrock (seems to be a CAN BUS system like holley) has a Gen IV 58x harness and ecu for under $1k. swap the harness and ecu, upload a similar engine spec program and make further changes yourself. Check the compatibility of your gauges too but you’re already running a swap so should be fine. Probably only limited by how wild your combo is or going to be.
     
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    I will be the devil's advocate here. HPTuners costs far less than a new engine control system. The GM stuff is very good. 2006 is pretty straight forward for engine control. No AFM, VVT, etc. It's worth it for the diagnostics alone, regardless of whether you change anything.

    Goat Rope Garage on YouTube is very good for explaining GM and HP Tuners. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP_LcnBKwJqJOiGoCRT5SCw

    Once you have HPTuners, it is very useful as a diagnostic tool on any other vehicle you have.
     
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    Just to be clear, I am not saying the OEM stuff isn’t good. It is very capable, such as the E38 ECM being PWM capable. Depends on what you are beginning with and/or trying to overcome.
     
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    Go for a holley setup and never look back. I've never liked hp tuners and reusing the stock gm stuff, sure it's great but it's also ridiculous when you look at how many different maps and scenarios you're trying to figure out to tune your hot rod! Go dominator or terminator x, setup your timing to be conservative, auto tune the rest and go drive your car.

    Cheers
     
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    Go with the New Holley Terminator X and never look back. Best out their easy
     
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    The Holley and MSD kits do work, but I wonder what you leave on the table with them. I would like to see a comparison of a set-up on each control from a performance (hp) and drivability stand point.

    I’m not a big fan of a single O2 on the Term X. either...
     
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    Ok, I'll be the only one to bring this up.
    I'm running the Fi Tech system in my car, you're familiar with mine, you road in it.
    They get a lot of bad press but, most of what I see is caused by the installer.
    Mine came with two sensors, I used the stock intake and they now have a TB for a stock LS2 intake.
    Mine controls the engine and trans and worked right out of the box, no issue. After 7k miles in two seasons, still running great. This is a good option if you're just building a driver and want a plug and play setup. I think you'd be fine with small mods and tuning, the key is saving a tune that works so you can revert back if needed.
    Fleet
     
  9. GDSmith

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    I didn’t forget about you, just making sure as Technolgies evolve I reduce / negate the opportunity for any regrets / missed opportunities. Hopefully you are willing to provide guidance / help based on your experience, your learnings when pulling the trigger no matter the choice.
    Looking forward to this adventure, I think?
     
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    Happy to help.
     

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