Broke down and downloaded VE live tuning and within minutes of the download, I was idling at an afr of 13.3 or so. I played all day yesterday trying to get my idle out of the 10.5-11.2 range. VE auto tuning slashed the tables way down....I just wasn't taking enough out to make any difference. I was afraid to get too far away from the original tables to where I couldn't get it running again if it quit. From now on, I need to "save as" before making any changes, then I can reload the old tune, if I mess up.