Seller FEEDBACK thread

Rally Mike

New Member
Oct 15, 2014
12
West Chester Ohio
80 RS Camaro response

THIS WAS MY RESPONSE TO BOB'S EMAIL TO ME PERSONALLY ALL BE IT WITHOUT RESPONDING TO HIS PROFANITY SHOWING HIS AND MY EXACT QUOTES TO EACH OTHER.

Bob

I am sorry that you don't see the value in this car.

It does make me wonder however the fact that you..... and quoted from you....(Bob...."parts I'm selling from two Z-28's that unfortunately were too far gone rust wise and mods made by the previous owners or the owners before them. I also Have a '79 Camaro Coupe that is a roller but I lost interest in it When I realized the condition of what it would need to revive")......... keep buying cars and realize either it's more work than you anticipated, or you are a parts hanger and don't have the skill set to restore these cars....(" And I'll cut this turd apart like the others because it cannot be saved.")......again don't have the skill set to save. Or maybe you don't have the financial resources to restore one properly.I mean look how long it too you to raise $1500.00
........(Bob..."If you can give me a week or two (depending on my Retirement source), I could request money to be withdrawn form it. I also have items up for sale on E-bay and you will start seeing on nasty Z-28 parts I'm selling from two Z-28's")

I will now address everything in your writings against me

The car is solid and all the parts are GM oem parts as advertised, no aftermarket. I was not aware of the rust under the seats. I uncovered the car after 20 years of storage and pushed it out from the side of the house to take pictures. I had no reason to even think that it would be rusted. Because the rest of the car is so solid. For that I do apologize.. When you showed up you said you looked under it and that it was a solid car. It seams to me if you have a camaro with a good under seat floor piece you can cut it out and weld it into the RS in a couple of hours. But to chop up such a solid car and scrap it over a little rust is maybe why you keep going through so many cars.

The dash and console. I never said "great condition" You asked what color I said grey. These can be repaired and since you were going to dye or paint them anyway would, like body work cover up any such repairs. I have seen where the fbody store can do such repairs.

The trim rings and chrome pieces. You seen the car they came off of an all original 65,000 mile car. I think you misunderstood when i said I was giving you the parts off the "new" car we have now...... (Mike.."Coming home from the cruise in tonight I was telling her about our discussions and she realized I wasn't planning on putting some of the new chrome on her new RS even though hers look perfectly fine for a 65,00 mile car,")..... The scratches and dent can be sanded / polished on the trim rings and to meet your standards re chrome the other pieces. They still are original GM pieces.

T-top seals, When I purchased them along with the other parts 20 years ago I just assumed they were correct it's surprising to me that they are not. Why would I buy ones for the wrong year. It's not like I have a bunch of camaros around and got confused.

T-top trim rotted and sail panels. were extra parts and the paint can be taken off the sail panels and dyed. I was sure the NOS T-top trim was blue. If not my mistake and you were going to dye the interior anyway and the fact that they reproduce them now doesn't mean anything. 20 years ago that's all you could get.

The nose was bought as a new piece in the box from a swap meet at the local car show.

If I knew you would give up on the car so easily I wouldn't of sold it to you.

Bob I truly am sorry that I didn't check for rust on a car that was solid 20 years go. I did not lie or intend to mislead you in any way. I would hope that you would be the kind of positive guy who sees the glass as half full rather than half empty and no get deterred so easily at the beginning of a project. If you decide you want to sell the rear interior panels for $250.00 each I will pay that it's the least I can do.
As for the RS project I would hope that you could man up and move forward with it and not be overwhelmed with what it takes financially and physically to finish such a rare car.

Thank you sir for reading this and also on this day of honoring veterans thank you for your service to this great country!
 

1971CamaroGuy

LS Swapped 1971 Camaro
Oct 31, 2004
3,877
iraqivet said:
I wasn't the seller but the buyer of a 1980 Rally Sport Camaro. The seller was Rally Mike, a new member who lives near Cincinnati Ohio in West Chester. In the several e-mails we went back and forth and talking on the phone, we reach an agreement. In his conversations and e-mails he stated the body was solid with all GM steel panels. He also said he had several boxes of GM parts for the car. I thought I finally found a car with little rust issue. When my son and I went to pick it up, I looked it over, underneath the floor boards up front and the rear quarters and rear lower valance. The car was undercoated. We removed the items out of the driving compartment so I could repack all the parts. Yesterday I started going through the parts and removed the lose interior parts. I pulled up the rear seat cushions to find the whole area on both sides with rusted out areas and heavy surface rust. How I missed this when looking underneath is I was concentrating on other areas that rust. The whole time he assured me the car was 100% metal wise and all GM. The area rusted is terrible and of course they don't make a panel for the rear area. Some of the OEM parts still in their boxes were not for a 2nd generation at all. He said the dash pad and center console were like new and just need painted. The dash pad is trash with two slices through it and the center console has a gash. Not even good enough for a daily driver. I got conned believing this guy. Here is his post on the car in his words:
"I have an Blue with blue interior 80 RS T-Top car that has been stored on a concrete drive next to my house for the past 20 years. It is a project car all metal absolutely no rust. Some NOS parts. No engine or trans. My wife actually bought the car in 1983 we sold it in 1986 and I bought it back the same car in 1994 for her wedding anniversary. It's been 20 years now I haven't finished it so I found her another one that had 60k on it and bought that one for our 30th anniversary. I was thinking $1500 would take it. I live in Cincinnati Ohio."

On the way home he calls me wanting to buy the rear lower arm rest plastic which was new for his RS. I said no, I would need them. Well, I learned a lesson. Unless you are seeing the vehicle in person and inspect every corner, don't believe the seller unless other members have had good business with them. It appears he joined this site so he could dump the car. So, do I part this Camaro out also or does anyone believe the panels can be formed and this RS saved? Pictures of rusted areas:
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Don't worry, that's an easy fix. I had to repair that area on my 71. I just cut out the bad stuff and welded the patches from a donor car. I flanged it so it fit like a glove. Little welding and seam sealer and you would never see it.



 

79zron

Veteran Member
Jan 21, 2000
1,473
perryopolis pa usa
franks70camaro

okay, just a heads up on this guy, he sold me a carb, told me very nice shape, posted this on the site, we talked on the phone and yet he never said anything about the things I found, its not what he described, I asked for refund, he tells me he spent the cash, and is flat broke, not his problem he says. so be aware, before he screws somebody else over on this site! don't buy from him he is a lie and a cheat! oh and also, he insisted it be paid by friend/family on paypal. so I can't get refund by them.
 

mgoad1971

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Lifetime Gold Member
Jul 29, 2011
2,472
Houston, Texas
79zron said:
oh and also, he insisted it be paid by friend/family on paypal. so I can't get refund by them.
Sorry to hear about that. I thought you could still put a complaint in even for "friend/family" option? I try to use that with people to avoid fees, but I guess for a first time buyer/seller I can see using the standard paypal method.
 

Protour-Camaro

Veteran Member
Feb 16, 2012
2,111
California
mgoad1971 said:
Sorry to hear about that. I thought you could still put a complaint in even for "friend/family" option? I try to use that with people to avoid fees, but I guess for a first time buyer/seller I can see using the standard paypal method.

No chance....I feel part of the fees is to pay those employees to do work on the cases. If you all of a sudden show we are circumventing the system, fees will soon come for gifts too.

I like to see that case though..."my dad screwed me over, I want my money back". I didn't use the regular method to pay because I didn't want to pay the fees" Will you help me?

What is wrong with the carb?
 
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mgoad1971

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Jul 29, 2011
2,472
Houston, Texas
Protour-Camaro said:
No chance....I feel part of the fees is to pay those employees to do work on the cases. If you all of a sudden show we are circumventing the system, fees will soon come for gifts too.
I guess that would be the point. You pay the fees for them to deal with situations similar to this. If you send money "Friend/Family" you automatically give up any/all rights to complain.

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1971CamaroGuy

LS Swapped 1971 Camaro
Oct 31, 2004
3,877
79zron said:
okay, just a heads up on this guy, he sold me a carb, told me very nice shape, posted this on the site, we talked on the phone and yet he never said anything about the things I found, its not what he described, I asked for refund, he tells me he spent the cash, and is flat broke, not his problem he says. so be aware, before he screws somebody else over on this site! don't buy from him he is a lie and a cheat! oh and also, he insisted it be paid by friend/family on paypal. so I can't get refund by them.

Good to know - Thanks for the heads up. Any chance you have a link to the original thread?
 




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