WTB: 3974561-2 cowl seals

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  1. doug mundahl

    doug mundahl Veteran Member

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    is this the replacement?
     
  2. badazz81z28

    badazz81z28 Veteran Member

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    No, totally different seal.
     
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    The smaller seal which member is looking for, can be seen when you open up the hood and look in the corner of the cowl (at the end of the fender) The long seals you would have to open the door and maybe be able to see part of it. They are about 3 feet long and are installed on the side of the cowl.
    John.
     
  4. doug mundahl

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    so are they both(types) used or just one or the other?
     
  5. 70lt1z28

    70lt1z28 Veteran Member Gold Member

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    Both types. But the long seals are used on 70-73's only with the Z87 Deluxe interior option and from 74 on with the Type LT (which effectively replaced the Z87) at least and maybe other options.
     
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    BillyDean7173 Psychopathy Red

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    Good question. I put both on my 73Z, but the car was a basket case and didn't come with either set of seals.

    My 67-74 GM Canada Camaro Parts Catalog has this.
    8.010 Seal, Hood Shroud Upper To Fender Lower Shroud
    1 3974562 3974561 1970-74/All

    At the time when I bought an NOS set of fender to cowl seals (the small ones; that's what I call them), I think there was a discussion about what cars got them. Basically, whether or not it was part of an option like Z54 Interior Decor and Quiet Sound Package in 73 or if they were standard, say on a 73 Type LT. I don't know if there was ever a definitive decision. I think some later 2nd gen members said their cars had the larger side cowl seals (called a front fender seal per the AM).

    My 73 Assembly Manual shows a diagram with the side cowl seals and it has info like 1. ZK1 Body Installation Pkg and 2. Base Model. Then in the revision notes, it has 1. Z87 Deluxe Interior and 2. Base Model Added.
    It also has a diagram showing the fender to cowl seals and it has info like 1. ZK1 Body Installation Pkg. Then next to the part number, it has 1FQ00 ZK1, 1FS00. That seems to me you either had to have the option or the Type LT. I'm pretty sure bodymanbill had them on his 73 Type LT Z28. I'm not sure if McCune had them on his 73 Type LT RS Z28 but he did help me with the measurements to install them on my car. The side cowl seals were easier because there were dimples on the side of the cowl if I remember correctly.

    I'll post some pics from my 73 AM. I don't know about my 70-72 AMs. I haven't looked through those yet.
     
  7. badazz81z28

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    My car was a pretty bare bone, 307/Auto car and has these seals. I would bet they are nothing more than isolators between the fender and the cowl. I'm guessing the later years did not get anything in that area?
     
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    For 70-72's:
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    and FWIW, I believe the 70-72's had a hex screw where the later cars had a push pin type fastener.
     
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    Since members are saying they are probably more for noise suppression, and not for water protection, then I will not look for them. They are to hard to find and very hard to install. Am I correct that you have to at least loosen the fender to install the smaller seals.
    John.
     
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    From the 73 AM.

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